Too Much Too Young
9:49 Thu Feb 13
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Ground control to major Tom.
What if you don't feel like you're from Earth, let alone English?
What if people identify as a 7 headed, 35 legged ShouldnevveravleftUPTONPARKesaurus from the claretus and Bluish region, deep into the Moore zone.
Champions of the galaxy for the 167th trillionith time.
They come down here and its all gone to shit.
You can't blame them for kicking off.
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joe royal
9:35 Thu Feb 13
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My friend Shane has an Irish mother and a Scottish farther.
The Irish half wants to get pissed up but the Scottish half doesn’t want to pay for it.
Born in ilford , went to cannon palmer supports West Ham and England.
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Lertie Button
9:30 Thu Feb 13
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Are there not enough little English arseholes in England without forcing people who don't feel they belong or have never been made to feel welcome pretend they do
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Norman
8:40 Thu Feb 13
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I'm born in Essex to an East End Mother and Irish Father. I grew up watching West Ham and Ireland and have stuck with it.
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Davenport
6:35 Thu Feb 13
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Pub Bigot 2:48 Thu Feb 13
probably why you're a massive wrist then
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ray winstone
6:29 Thu Feb 13
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I'm Greek.
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Fifth Column
6:27 Thu Feb 13
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Many people on here regularly say that if your ancestry is from another country then you're not really English or complain about same people calling themselves English.
Youre damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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HairyHammer
6:15 Thu Feb 13
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Anyone who's parents were foreign even if they were born in England and have seen or can remember anything of the 70's and early to mid 80's of GB will be unlikely to say they are English unless their parents were English in their mannerisms and the way they spoke .
I would imagine it is no different in Scotland Wales or Ireland too, British yes, English we were told by some that it was not possible and personally I can live with that. Being British is just as sexy .
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PeterJ
5:57 Thu Feb 13
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BRANDED 12:07 Thu Feb 13
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You class that as complex thought? Jesus.
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White Pony
3:34 Thu Feb 13
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Ridikzappa
I was born in Ireland to Irish parents - Dad from Cork Mum from Armagh - but I think of myself as English. Probably something to do with the fact I have lived here since I was small after my parents died. So all I have ever really
known is England and I had no parental influence to reinforce my country of birth.
Sounds a bit strange but I don’t feel Irish at all and support England in every sport; although I do like to see the NI football team do well.
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WHU(Exeter)
3:21 Thu Feb 13
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Agree with what Scum said.
People are different and there can't be a hard and fast rules about it, hence you'll even have the same generation in the same family having different loyalties when it comes to sport etc
better that people form a real affinity because that's what they want and what they've decided, rather than because it's what they've been told they MUST do
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ironsofcanada
2:50 Thu Feb 13
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Patriotism like most things in life, has its benefits and drawbacks. It can certainly be abused and twisted but being part of a community large or small has its benefits, and it has helped drive innovation and oppose dangerous figures in history.
(It is an interesting phenomenon to look at from an outside perspective. It was surprising to me, for instance, when I got here, how much basic grocery packaging was basically a UK flag. To be fair, there is a lot more produce packaging here.)
Myself, I am mostly English (maybe some Welsh, Jones is one of my big lines but I cannot find anything beyond Bethnal Green in the earlier 19th century yet. The family rumours are of some scandal and a name change but probably just legend.) The other English side is more upper class if the genealogy is to be believed (not had time to compare it to the DNA yet) and it goes back forever but also goes through America briefly.
Some Jewish from the East End and my surname and another bit is Danish. Certainly one of the more homogeneous people from Canada I know.
English was biggest outside cultural influence, in terms of food, reading, football (heard about West Ham without experiencing it from an early age) some TV but then I had my own experience which is unique to everyone.
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Pub Bigot
2:48 Thu Feb 13
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Culture counts more than race or heritage, Davenport. Otherwise I'd be fucked being a Jock/Yid mix!
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Davenport
2:42 Thu Feb 13
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twoleftfeet 11:56 Wed Feb 12
If a dog is born in a stable does it make it a horse?
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TheBoleynBoy
2:38 Thu Feb 13
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I am of a mix between being Filipino (Mums side) and English, whilst I’m proud of being both I know very little about the Philippines. I have never been there, don’t speak the language etc. My mum was born there but moved here and hasn’t gone back there since I’ve been born.
I know more about Jamaica to be honest, loving their culture, food and drinks etc.
I say I’m English, not British...I’ve even followed england all over the place aswell.
Just be proud of who you are and what you have grown up with, fuck everyone else.
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eusebiovic
2:20 Thu Feb 13
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Patriotism is vastly over-rated especially when the flags and bunting are being manufactured for tuppence in a third world hellhole.
When you have 2 or even 3 nationalities then all you can do is enjoy the elements that you appreciate the most... hopefully these are positive ones. It tends to be books, food, football and music for the most part maybe a bit of sex but that's about it really.
The ruling classes are the least patriotic of anyone - they invest the least amount of money into their "own" countries and plow all their money into shareholdings of every other place in the world except their own.
So what is Patriotism? What does it really mean?
As You Were
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Pub Bigot
2:12 Thu Feb 13
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Nobody in my family is genetically English. I know this as my biological father is Scottish and my Mum, Jewish. I was born and raised in the East End, as was my Mum, her Mum and her grandparents before that. My great, great grandparents were from Poland and the Baltic States. My DNA results also corroborate this.
How I and my maternal family perceive ourselves is English (British too) and everything before is irrelevant.
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Iron Duke
1:59 Thu Feb 13
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I pretty much agree with what Russ has said.
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Worst Case Ontario
1:38 Thu Feb 13
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Being born in a stable does not make one a horse.
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BRANDED
12:07 Thu Feb 13
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PeterJ 11:34 Thu Feb 13
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BRANDED 11:08 Thu Feb 13
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That’s a very strange post. You start off by explaining your family history and then stating you don’t give a shit. You clearly do, to either start a post like that, know all about it or feel the need to put it out there.
No dig but I think it’s obvious you do give a shit.
Hey. You obviously have no ability for complex thought do you? Assume someone else did the research and not me. I merely have the knowledge of others research. I would not have bothered.
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Council Scum
12:07 Thu Feb 13
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My Mum's family came over from Ireland, my Dad's Wales. I consider myself English, but a lot of my cousins support Ireland in sport. End of the day it doesn't matter, just don't be a cunt about it.
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